MILNET: Guest Briefing Ryan Mauro's Geo-Political Analysis Ryan's new interview subject Gary Metz tracks the possibility of regime change in Iran -- a subject some might think is wishful thinking but according to Metz, may come sooner than we think. Mid June, of 2005, the major media stations began to make noises about the problems the current leadership in Iraq is having, making this interview conducted in early May of 2005 pretty insightful and need we say it typical of online sources -- way out in front of the mainstream media. |
Gary
Metz operates the Regime Change Iran web site
(http://www.regimechangeiran.com),
one of the top-notch blogs keeping readers
up-to-date on developments inside Iran.
RM: Given the fact that there were such large intelligence failures
when we
went into Iraq, and such a large portion of the American population
feels the
war is a mistake, how can we trust the intelligence coming out of Iran?
GM: Our intelligence inside of Iran is not what it should be. It
will
take years to build the kind of intelligence this country needs inside
of Iran.
But there is no question that Iran hid aspects of its nuclear program
for nearly
20 years. That is an established fact. The Administration's
approach
does
not require a new intelligence find. They are seeking a dismantling of
the
Iranian uranium enrichment program. On this it appears the EU3
and the
U.S. are in agreement. So intelligence is not likely to become a
major
issue.
But speaking of intelligence, geostrategy-direct.com recently reported
that Iran has purchased all the technology and plutonium necessary to
construct a bomb.
This is something I have long feared.
Your question also implies that the U.S. is preparing for a war with
Iran. This is in my opinion very unlikely. If you listen
carefully to
the words of
the President and Condi Rice they seem committed to a regime change
policy in Iran, but they won't call it that. By that I believe
they
intend to support an
internal regime change similar to what we have witnesses in Georgia,
the Ukraine, Lebanon, etc. This is what we support at
regimechangeiran.com. To
that end, we have just launched a blogosphere campaign to support the
people of Iran to do just that.
RM: How sure can we be that the Iranian opposition is capable of
overthrowing the mullahs? I think it is safe to say that when we went
into Iraq, we had similar expectations.
GM: Unlike Iraq, the people of Iran have long been considered the most
pro-American
in the Middle East. Recent polls have indicated that a mere five
to ten
percent support for the mullahs and eighty-five percent support for a
secular
democratic government.
So the pro-democracy forces have the numbers. If the people of Iran
could have real elections and could choose their own leaders, they
would produce a new Iran. Since the people of Iran are tired of
participating in illegitimate elections,
the people of Iran are planning on boycotting the
upcoming elections, June 17. But unlike past elections, the world
will be
watching, closely.
The pro-democracy forces there hope that when the world witness the
people boycotting Iran's illegitimate elections it will put serious
pressure on democratic
nations to support real democracy in Iran. This is a similar
situation
that began the uproar in the Ukraine.
The issue is, are they willing to risk their lives to force a change.
It is unclear
how far the people of Iran are willing to go. But this summer promises
to be
the most volatile in the regime's history.
I just published a discussion with Gene Sharp had with the Boston Globe
about
his book, From Dictatorship to Democracy. His book has served as
a training
manual around the world for successful non-violent regime change. The
people in Georgia, the Ukraine and Lebanon have received training in
these methods, but
the Iranians have had little assistance of this kind. Fortunately, Gene
Sharp's
book is now available in Farsi for free on the internet. I can
only hope
the pro-democracy leaders there can make use of these methods and
exhibit the
discipline necessary for it to work. We will know soon.
RM: Some people I speak to say we can't rely on the opposition for
regime
change because of two reasons: 1) The Revolutionary Guards, Hizbollah,
and
other regime-loyal forces will cut them down despite their popularity
and 2)
The opposition is incapable of regime change before Iran gets a nuclear
weapon.
How do you respond?
GM: Even totalitarian regimes must exhibit judicious use of violence
against its
own people. Too heavy a hand is likely to create dissention among
those in
charge of security. This can cause security forces fighting
security forces.
But it also increases the size, anger and willingness of those opposing
the
regime to make sacrifices they might not otherwise make. This if
used
properly can permit pro-democracy forces to galvanize the public
towards their
efforts.
Those in control in Iran understand this. Recently, the people of Iran
chose to disobey the regime's ban on an ancient festival that involves
making small
fires and jumping over it, leaving the past problems behind. In
Iran
the sight of huge numbers of Iranians disobeying the ban, caused the
regime to quickly
shift its position and even permitted state TV broadcasters to cover
the event
and praised it.
It is also important to note that the regime has been forced to bring
into the
country non-Persian security forces because it does not trust its own
security
forces to carry out its orders. The sight of non-Persian security
forces
throughout Iran has caused the masses of Iranians to view the regime
with
disgust.
It might also be of interest that in some communities the Basji's (the
religious
militia) have been disarmed because some religious leaders in Iran have
spoken out against the regime as corrupt and that the regime is causing
Iranians to leave
Islam.
Iran may already have the nuclear bomb and the best way to locate and
put under
the control of those friendly to the U.S. is to support the efforts of
the
pro-democracy forces there. A military attack may make things
worse.
RM: If the opposition is incapable of defeating the Revolutionary
Guards and
other loyal forces, should the US military assist them? Are we too
stretched-out to do so?
GM: The pro-democracy forces can defeat the revolutionary guards by the
methods
I outlined and therefore there is at this time no need for U.S.
military action. U.S. military action is likely to have the
opposite
effect we would
want. It could cause the people of Iran to rally around a
government
they
dislike, just as the 9/11 attack brought Americans throughout the
political
spectrum together for time.
RM: If we support the opposition, isn't Iran capable of retaliating
by
causing a great amount of trouble in Afghanistan, Iraq, or even at home?
The regime has already been doing everything imaginable to cause
problems in Afghanistan and Iraq. The only thing they haven't
done is
use direct military action and this
would provide the U.S. the justification to retaliate against Iran's
military. Iran cannot re-supply its military fast
enough. It would lose in a traditional military conflict.
It could
only hope to win a war of attrition as they are attempting to do in
Iraq.
RM: Won't there be internal Iranian conflicts and guerilla war as a
result
of the overthrow of the mullahs? Won't the instability lead to the
dispersal of
WMDs and military arms?
GM: This depends on largely on how the regime is brought down.
WMD's are generally
under the control of the military. If the pro-democracy forces can turn
the
loyalties of the military and security forces it can keep them under
control.
This has happened in other nations. But it is likely that their will be
bloodshed and regime change opens the possibilities for WMD's to change
hands
before complete control is in place. It is possible.
RM: Why is the Mujahideen-e-Khalq labeled a terrorist organization
by the
State Department and should it/will it remain that way?
GM: The Clinton Administration designated them a terrorist organization
based
on its murder of Americans and loyalties to at one time Khomeini, then
later to
Saddam. During the Iran/Iraq war the MEK fought and killed
Iranians. As a
result, inside of Iran they are almost universally considered traitors.
I am
not an expert in the MEK but I know that the Iranian people
overwhelmingly hate
the MEK and if the U.S. were to change their designation it would cause
them to
believe that the U.S. has made peace with their enemy. This would
be a
huge mistake.
RM: Is it a possibility to form an exile government outside Iran? Is
such leadership available?
GM: It is possible, there have been several groups seeking to do
this.
One such group calling itself the Iranian Opposition Council is working
on
this. It is too early to know what they will be able to accomplish.
RM: Wouldn't assisting regime change in Iran cause further
anti-Americanism
around the world and perhaps provoke terrorist attacks?
GM: Just the opposite. While the people of the Middle East
generally
distrust
the U.S., the free elections in Afghanistan and then in Iraq are
causing a tide wave of change in the Middle East. People who
never
thought democracy
was possible in the Middle East are now asking, why not us? The
more
likely targets of terrorists are the new leaders of these new
democracies, not
the U.S. But these nations are likely to do a much better job of
securing
their nations than the U.S. could ever hope to do.
RM: Is it possible to form a real coalition to support the
opposition or
even support military assistance?
GM: There are many groups seeking to support the Iranian opposition
inside of Iran, but no coalition that I am aware of. We should
discuss
this further. As I
mentioned earlier I have launched a blogosphere campaign in support of
the
pro-democracy forces inside of Iran. We may be able to organize
something
larger as a result.